Henry Levak: So we will be also announcing an in-wall mounting option, for both Cameras, but specifically for Rally AI. Camera. Kinda looks like this, it looks like a, a in-wall enclosure that you can just slip the Camera into., this enclosure will also include a, a nice fabric cover that you just gonna attach to the front. 

And, when the Camera's not in use the, of course, the, the, the Camera rolls out of,, closes the privacy shutter's open, closed off. And it's just a really nice, elegant and simple looking device. It doesn't really look like technology. I love this. It's Tom Arbuthnot: so slick. Isn't it nice? You, you, you sound, you totally sounded like, facilities or architecture there where you were like, make the technology disappear. 

Like that's their like primary ask is like, can we have nothing? Well, okay, this is like, as, I feel like this is as close as you get, particularly with the fabric covers really, really slick. 

Hi, and welcome back to the Teams Insider Podcast. Excited to have Henry from Logitech back on the show. Logitech have just made some new hardware announcements, so we're gonna dive in and get Henry's view on the new announcements and some of the USPS on the new hardware. Really nice stuff., we also. 

Took Henry back to 2025 and got his thoughts on last year. And as we record, it's just pre ISE. So if you're gonna be there, hope to see you there., Henry will talk through everything they're gonna be showing at ISE as well on with the show. Henry, welcome back to the podcast. Excited to have Henry on the show again., if you didn't hear the last one, we got into all sorts of things about what was going on with Logi and the industry. It was a great, great convo, very popular one. So looking forward to, having you on the show again, Henry. How's it going? Henry Levak: Awesome. Thank you for having me back. We had a great conversation last time. 

I think I shared a few new things and, excited to share a few new things, this time around as well. Tom Arbuthnot: Awesome., for the couple of people who don't know you, I think most people industry do, but, give us a little bit of a kind of intro to you and your role. Henry Levak: Yeah, yeah. So I, I'm Henry. I have the best job in the industry. 

I lead product for Logitech for Business, and we of course make, solutions for work, for the desktop, for the conference rooms and everything in between. Tom Arbuthnot: Awesome. So as this show goes out, the announcements will have already gone out, which we're gonna get into, which I'm really excited about., and we're just ahead of ISE as we record as well. 

So, yeah, lots of news coming, but first I wanna take a look back., we talked kind of mid last year, Rally board being a highlight from me, from your portfolio, but I want to get your take on kind of last year and the product announcements and the market and how it went. Henry Levak: Last year was maybe one, and I've been at Logitech for eight years, was probably one of our most exciting years. 

Although we'll see what happens this year., last year we had so many new innovations, from the desktop to the conference room., you mentioned one of my favorite ones, Rally board, 65. This was of course our first all-in-one, audio video display solution for the market. The feedback on it has been tremendous., so thank you so much for everyone who's, tried it, who's deploying it., it's only getting better and better with software updates. I think last time you and I chatted, I shared that we're working with Microsoft now our Teams room on Windows certification. So, we're really making sure we, support pretty much every major, ecosystem partner and their, various different experiences., we've done also a couple other things really special, with Microsoft last year. So obviously, you know about native Bluetooth support for headsets., so this is, really a kinda a response to customer feedback saying. We love team certified headsets. We live that kind of call syn, that mute control that everything you get, with a certified experience. 

But not everyone loves dongles., for some people Dongles are a great solution 'cause it does solve a bunch of problems. But for some people they're like, Hey, you know, can we do something without a Dongle?, so of course we work as, you know, closely with our friends of Microsoft and,, worked out on a native Bluetooth. 

Certification support. Yeah. Tom Arbuthnot: You were, you were first to market with native Bluetooth and you very quickly certified multiple devices like your headset portfolio has, has really come on in terms of number of options and, and you've got the most native Bluetooth options as well. Henry Levak: I think we were first, I think we were second and maybe third., so we really just felt strongly about this particular, kind of use case and leaned into it in a big way. So yeah, we have multiple headsets now certified. What's nice about it is it saves the end customer, you know, anywhere from 20 to $30 per headset, saves the end user one more thing to carry., so it's a, it's a really compelling, experience. 

Tom Arbuthnot: And for those following along, just two weeks ago, Microsoft announced, that's supported now on AMD and on the Qualcomm, the Copilot plus pc. So the kind of, originally it was just Intel, now it's more, more options. So that's nice to see as well. Henry Levak: Definitely. So kinda a win-win., of course we still support and, sell the with Dongle option. So we kind of give people choice., but we are starting to see more and more folks kind of, lean towards the Dongle list because experience is very consistent and, again, there's lots of cost and, savings involved in that decision. Tom Arbuthnot: Awesome. And the board, I've had a few customers on the podcast last year, most recently. 

Toyota was a really great conversation and it feels like, the all in one kind of board form factor is, is really popular across multiple customers at the moment. Henry Levak: Definitely. And shout out to JT did an awesome job. It was a really, yeah, he was Tom Arbuthnot: great. Really good conversation. Henry Levak: He's, he's fantastic., yeah, we're, we're starting to see a pretty nice, sizable volume of deployments. 

The one thing that, we assumed and we are starting to see from feedback and the numbers. A lot of people are just deploying this in traditional conference rooms., instead of a video bar, they're basically saying, you know, it's, it's got pretty much all the same sort of capabilities as a video bar, but it's simpler 'cause it's just a single object. 

And we'll just in our device is visa mountable. So you could just put it on a, on the wall, on an existing visa mount and it, you have a full solution from one vendor. Tom Arbuthnot: Yeah, it's interesting and I, I've heard the same thing and like, like both kind of the, the, the cost option is kind of an obvious one because of the flexibility and like, like, we're not sure what we're doing real estate. 

We wanna move them around. But actually you said then it's like, actually if you look at cost of install and effort and everything else, we're just gonna go all in one across the board and mount them. And even the touch is sort of optional in a lot of cases, which is, is interesting. Henry Levak: Absolutely. Yeah. 

That's exactly right. And as I, I know, you know. We, we innovated this Camera design where you can actually adjust, which way you install the device, like the orientation of it. And we did that because we believe that we're gonna see more of these deployments and more traditional conference rooms. And if you look at those rooms, typically those Cameras are at below the display. 

So it's kind of like a contradiction. You want to go after those spaces. You wanna provide a nice, simple solution. But then the Camera, like, where do you place the Camera? Right., so we're uniquely able to place the Camera either above or below the display., and of course if you have our, beautiful cart, you can even do that dynamically can adjust it depending on, kind of the scenario, Tom Arbuthnot: the cart demo. 

So, well, I, most recently near, we were doing a user group at your London office and we were flipping it back and forth, dangerously close to one of the other screens. But it's, it's just such a great demo and experience. Henry Levak: It is nice. It is nice. And we got a couple more updates coming for it actually at ISE since you mentioned it earlier., we announced a, a few, a few new features, that we'll be launching, which is our,, we call it Digital Cocoon., really the idea is to use software and hardware to focus the meaning, experience on just the people that are in front of the device., so we have really advanced beamforming mics. 

Those mics are gonna do something, with a feature called Mic Zone., we're basically gonna attenuate all the noises that are outside of the area in front of the device, which is really, really nice. And then of course, this is where we kind provide that like DSLR like experience to just really focus people on what's in the meeting as opposed to just random stuff in the background., so we'll be showcasing this at ISE and we should be launching this in Beta in the next couple weeks. Tom Arbuthnot: Nice. And you mentioned it at the top, but like it's MTROA certified and, and was it launched and you are, you are now working through MTROW, so both options will be on the table. Henry Levak: Definitely, yeah. 

I mean, I just, it's more of our,, philosophical approach to give people choice., as you know, most of our portfolio is supports both the Android Windows and BYOD deployments. Really just to let customers or partners to decide which is platform is best for them. Some we actually find, we'll do both. 

Some, actually you talked to JT a little bit about it. Some are just uncertain and wanna make sure that they're future proof or whatever the world, entails., and, you know, so we support both and they'll be no different for Rally Board 65., it is now certified and has been for Teams Room on Android., and of course you'll see it for Teams Room on Windows, relatively soon. Tom Arbuthnot: Awesome. So, it is 2026 now though. And, you've got new stuff to, to show. So, where do you wanna start with some of the new announcements? Henry Levak: So, 2026 will be a big year for Logitech. You can write that one down and, we'll, that Tom Arbuthnot: might be the pod title. 

Henry Levak: We'll compare next time. We'll, we'll, we'll meet again., but, and I, and we're kicking it off in a big way at ISE, so we're announcing two new products. And, you're actually one of the first people I get to share this with., but you'll only show it after we make the announcement, Tom Arbuthnot: right? Yep. 

Otherwise. Henry Levak: Awesome. So let me do this. Let me share, some slides with you just to kind of introduce the product. I know most of the people that are probably listening to this are listening to this, so might not see the images, but for anyone who's, viewing them will be just a nice kind of visual. Yeah, yeah. 

We have on as well as the Tom Arbuthnot: pod feed, so, come and see the video. Henry Levak: Perfect., there it is. All right, so. You may have heard of this product before., this is of course Rally Camera. This has been around for a while. Again, I've been at Logitech eight years and we launched it right around the time I joined., and the feedback for this product has been overwhelmingly positive. People just love how, reliable it is. They love the image quality., but you know, over the last few years we've gotten more and more feedback around., people wanting to put more intelligence into the product, right? So it's like, Henry, I love the optics of Rally Camera, but can you make it smarter? 

Kinda like a what a Rally Bar, can do. So that's what we're gonna be announcing at ISE, kind of an evolution of the Rally Camera portfolio. We'll be announcing a new product that we call Rally AI Camera Pro. Obviously those who are listening can't see it, so I'll kind of describe it., it's a two Camera solution. 

It's a PTZ Camera. Two Camera solution At the top, we have an optical stack, very similar to the original Rally Camera, but we are updating the sensor., so the image quality should be better than Rally Camera. So if you like Rally Camera, I think you're gonna love this particular product. At the bottom, we did something different than what others typically do. 

So usually at the bottom of the Camera, you have like a cheap little view finder, and you actually never use it for anything more than framing. We actually see an opportunity, something really interesting with two Cameras. So we, we put a pretty high end Camera at the bottom as well. So we, we took the same Camera system that's in Rally Board 65 and we put it into the bottom base of this product. 

So yeah, you Tom Arbuthnot: can see the design cues there. It's very clearly the same style of the Camera. Henry Levak: Exactly. So you have an optical solution at the top, and then you have a wide 115 degree, field of view solution at the bottom. So you have two really great Cameras that can do two different things. They kind of compliment each other. 

Very well, and, we'll use those two in, really interesting ways. Tom Arbuthnot: So what, what drove you to deciding to do digital and optical? Because often, often there's a debate in the industry about which way do you go? Henry Levak: Absolutely. I think, I think it comes down to choice and just being, true to the use cases, right? 

So, we certainly, we've invested a lot in say we probably have one of the most advanced digital Cameras with the one inch Camera sensors. There's not a lot of those in, in the market. And we custom design lenses. So we're, we're pretty good at making digital only solutions. But when you compare the two and you look at optical and if you have that expectation for that loss, less of video. 

When you zoom in depth, it's just really difficult to, to do better than optical. So ultimately we said we know both Cameras. Each Camera has its place in this world., one is wider, one is, you know, can go deeper and really. Using both, I think is where ultimately you're gonna get the best outcome. Tom Arbuthnot: Yeah. So where, where you are really punching in, that's where the optical shows its kind of, strengths. 

Henry Levak: Absolutely. Especially when you're thinking like presenter trackers in the back of the room. That's really where optical just has just strong advantages. But at the same time, that digital solution is also quite good., but, but hold your thought on, digital only solutions. Of course, as you know, I have, I have more to share., maybe the only other thing I'll call out about this, this product, which, you know, people at home would wanna see, but I'll just kind of detail it, with words., we wanted to change kinda the form factor with these devices. Like we, we've thought a lot about this problem for a while. We've been, you know, we visited so many customers and partners and, and Tom, you probably have, you've probably have gone into like a boardroom where everything's beautiful. 

The table probably costs more than, you know, many things you own and I own., and then on these walls or these, you know, this technologies hanging out, these protrusions, these, these Cameras, this, this big black base with this optical Camera in the dark. Yeah. Really Tom Arbuthnot: common. Or like, or like, like shelved out, justing out. 

And you've got these like, super flat screens or even into the wall screen. So everything is plush except the Camera. Henry Levak: Exactly. And you know, the design team, the facilities team, when they were designing the space, they're imagining something beautiful and. Everything checks the box and then you got this technology, hanging there. 

And we wanted to help with that. We wanted to do something that was, you know, maybe a little better. So the design of the product is different than what traditional, PTZ Cameras look like, including our own. So if you look at most Cameras, they have a big base, right? And then there's an optical thing at the top., what we did is we grew the height of the product a bit., but instead of having a big base, we actually made something that's quite shallow. The whole product when it's wall mounted, protrudes only four inches from the wall in this off position., so it's 101, millimeters. So it's, roughly half the size of a, the Rally Camera when they're wall mounted. 

And then if you look at some of the competitive products in the market, it's more than half. So it's significantly, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's much more snug against the wall. Yeah. Tom Arbuthnot: Thinking a little Henry Levak: about it, a little bit differently Tom Arbuthnot: and visual cues there, it's, it's hanging the, the obstacle lens is hanging down and I assume the, like the board does the other lens roll so it visually it's very clear that it's off at that point. 

Henry Levak: Absolutely. Yeah. So privacy to us is at the, you know, top of the list of things we think about from an end user's perspective, just reassuring them the status of the system., and what we want to do is whenever we make these privacy shutters and these privacy mechanisms. We want them to telegraph a very clear state., so like, you know, you see some of these iris things with like a line. The way most people don't really know what those are or notice them. But our kinda design is very purposeful., so when the Camera's not in use, you can look at it and you immediately know. And when the Camera comes in, use the motion of the motors and the Camera's kind of opening and rolling it into place. 

Tom Arbuthnot: Yeah. Conveys, I, I, I like that. Unfortunately, I've seen, seen scenarios in enterprises where, you know, people go and deliberately twist the, the PTZ to try and get it off focus or whatever. So having it shut down very clearly, not beyond is, is nice. A hundred percent. Henry Levak: A hundred percent. Maybe actually, just to, to piggyback off something you said earlier, which is, hey, there's this debate around, Cameras. 

Like, do you go digital? Do you go optical? And kind of like I said, we went both because there's a purpose, you know, there's a need for both in many different environments., but we, we, we did recognize that there are some environments that could just use just a, just a digital Camera. And so maybe a smaller, more disereet form factor would be applicable. 

This is maybe medium to large shape rooms or just places where you want more disereet solutions. So we had this debate internally and our engineering and design team came back with a pretty clever idea and they said, well, why don't we just do both?, so at the event we'll be announcing, or, we will be announcing, two new Cameras, Rally AI Camera Pro, and of course Rally AI Camera. 

They are essentially the same Camera system. The big difference is one has an optical Camera and one doesn't. So the debate around do you need optical or not, is over. You can have both. Everyone walks away a winner 'cause we'll have both as an option. Tom Arbuthnot: Nice. Nice. And for those, not listening in, it's kinda like you've taken the, the unit out of the Board 65 and just made it standalone. 

So you've got that same shallow depth and just no PTZ on the top. Henry Levak: Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. So made it kind of shallower. Again, it's very disereet, smaller form factor device., they both come in two colors, so graphite and off white. So we're definitely using, colors to help, just kind of blend itself into the environment so people aren't really too focused on, the technology, but focused on meeting., but then we took this idea one step further beyond just making things a little bit smaller, making it with different colors., kind of pushed this under design team and said, how do we just make this technology just disappear?, so we will be also announcing an in-wall mounting option, for both Cameras, but specifically for Rally AI. 

Camera kinda looks like this, it looks like a, a in-wall enclosure that you can just slip the Camera into., this enclosure will also include a. A nice fabric cover that you just kind attach to the front and, when the Camera's not in use, the, of course, the, the, the Camera rolls out of,, closes the privacy shutters open, closed off. 

And it's just a really nice, elegant and simple looking device. It doesn't really look like technology. I love this. It's Tom Arbuthnot: so slick. Isn't it nice? You, you, you sound, you totally sounded like, facilities or architecture there where you were like, make the technology disappear. Like that's their like primary ask is like, can we have nothing? 

Well, okay, this is like, as, I feel like this is as close as you get, particularly with the fabric covers really, really slick. Henry Levak: Absolutely. And, and in many ways that's, that's who we're building this for, right? We want to make it easy for it to talk to their facilities. Colleagues and simplify their lives and provide solutions and design ideas that maybe haven't historically been possible., and you can kind of make in-wall enclosures, but the feedback we've gotten is just they're not purpose built for these use cases. They don't look as elegant., and the systems need to be designed in a way to support this. So, for example, the privacy shutter needs to be designed in a way where it can open and close without obstruction. We do have microphones in these systems for speaker tracking. So those microphones need to, work properly even in, in an enclosure. Heat dissipation is a huge concern, right? Like that's a very smart, device that's in the wall with, questionable air ventilation. So all these things are being factored and being designed and consider., as part of the solution, Tom Arbuthnot: and this is where the engineering or the depth pays off. 'cause you can do this in a fairly standard depth pool. You're not gonna need to go eight inches back to get the box in. Henry Levak: Exactly. It's gonna, it's gonna be as, as small as possible for this type of use case., and ultimately what we want to do is, and again, people at home will have a hard time seeing this, but, you know, they'll see assets online. 

We'll have plenty of imagery, but. Where things are going are these beautiful spaces with Cameras that are multiple Cameras in a room, providing this multi-Camera, multi-angle experience. The Cameras are gonna be very, very smart., but just, they just really nicely blend into the environment. That's right. 

Hang on. So you just, you Tom Arbuthnot: just dropped in multi-cam there, Henry. That's the big deal. So you've obviously had the inside out, you know, like approach of center of table, but now you're gonna have. Multicam outside in with either the PTZs or with these new Cameras. Henry Levak: Definitely there, there's been a longstanding debate around which way do you go? 

Do you go inside out, outside in, we obviously came into the market with a strong perspective around the, the benefits of that center of table Camera. With site, we now support dual sites and we're getting really good feedback on that. But we've always known that there would be certain rooms, certain cultures within certain companies that, prefer things not on the table, right? 

Or, you know, OOO, other configurations. They want things completely outta sight and outta mind. And we think for those, for those folks, this is gonna be a better option., and so really our position around multi-Camera is yes, both., you know, inside, out, outside in, and, you know, who knows, maybe in the future it's both, combined and Yeah. 

I was gonna ask Tom Arbuthnot: you, that sounds like a, you've got the potential there. A hard, hard problem to get all the, the AI to do the right Camera choice when it's doing out inside, out and outside in, but you've got the, the hardware there that's interesting. Henry Levak: Absolutely. You know, first you gotta make sure you have the essentially sensors and the capabilities, the compute, the intelligence in the room. 

And then, you know, you, you, you look and you observe how people use these devices and you build solutions out of them. So what we'll be announcing is that we're working closely with our friends at Microsoft and Zoom and others, certainly Google around multi-Camera experiences. We'll kick it off with, for Microsoft, supporting their multi-view experience so you can connect. 

Up to four of these Cameras and then that will allow you to stream or simultaneous streams to remote participants. And then those folks will actually be showing this off at ISE. So if anyone wants to stop by the booth, definitely come by., but certainly we'll continue to invest more and more into the space., and you can kind see how the vision for multiple Cameras, multiple angles, is broader than just the Logitech site center of the table. It's gonna be, broader and really targeted, supporting more spaces. I think most organizations will have, will utilize both and maybe pick one over the other and have one more frequently than the other. 

But really you're gonna find spaces that are gonna benefit from these different configurations and Logitech will be there to support both of these configurations. Tom Arbuthnot: Nice. Is it 26 feels like an exciting year for multi-Camera. Lots of people are coming with. Options and the big platforms are genuinely supporting it in terms of multi-Camera multistream. 

So, it's, and it's nice as you said, to have options. Like in a certain scenario it's a, it's a round table, the wiring fits the, the site just sits there., but in a, I think as you step up to, you know, bigger rooms, like you say, nothing on the desk or a certain form factor, then having that outside in is really interesting as well. 

Henry Levak: Yeah, definitely. And, and I think it's just, in some ways we've already gone through the first wave of multi-Camera and, you know, I would say Site in some ways kickstarted that, and I think you're getting feedback, you're getting new ideas, you've had some assumptions, and I think you should anticipate that a lot of that learning will start getting incorporated into another wave of innovation. 

And, lots of, lots of exciting things coming. Some of the demos I've seen internally., are pretty exciting. So I, I, I, I can't wait to show some of this to the world, but yeah, I mean, what you're seeing us here is being able to place these devices in the right locations in a way that facilities and other teams love., these devices are incredibly smart, network connectable. So, the computes in place to do interesting things and working with key alliance partners like Microsoft, to tie these Cameras together. And the first variant of that, of course, is with, Microsoft's multi-view experience. Tom Arbuthnot: Nice. And what's the, what's the connectivity here for these Cameras? 

So if I wanna run for a Austin MTR, it'll be an MTR on W and it Windows. Henry Levak: Yeah, absolutely. So, the, the devices just has two ports on it has a USB port and it's got a POE port for power., and of course, running USB over great distances isn't necessarily everyone's favorite thing to do., so we do have something we call a, Rally Camera, a Rally AI Camera extension kit. 

All it is, it's this little, shoe that sits at the bottom. It looks, this little step thing that sits at the bottom of the Camera and it converts, USB and POE into just a, an ethernet connection. So you can run, you know, it's, I think it's gonna be up to a hundred meters away. You can run and get power and data over a CAT cable. 

So installing Cameras like this in larger spaces, something in the back of the room, you know, used to involve extenders and Cameras. Like, it's super simple now. You just get the extension kit, attach it to the bottom, and you can plug it in as a USB endpoint to any MTR and it's super simple. Tom Arbuthnot: Nice, nice. And which, which units will support these new Cameras? 

Henry Levak:, in terms of, like the host, PC or like the computer? Yeah, so, because we went, certainly support USB, it will work with our, entire collab west portfolio. So Rally Bars, Rally Bar Minis, Roommates, you can just plug those in and it will support so. Teams Room on Android, users are gonna, love that., and of course on MTRoW, because it's just standard USB, you can plug this into pretty much any, any, any MTR Windows,, compute and should just work. Tom Arbuthnot: Nice, nice. Exciting., it feels like your team is spending a lot of time on. Design and like the, the visuals of the, like, like not just the tech, but the experience in the room. 

Like is, clearly that's coming through in the design, but can you talk to us a little bit about that? Because it feels like there's a lot of effort there. Henry Levak: First, thank you for noticing that, that is intentional., you know, when we think about solutions, technology's super important. You absolutely have to nail, kind of ITs requirements around, you know, being able to do really, really important things and being able to. 

Manage them remotely and being able end users want certain things, but so do other stakeholders like facilities. And more and more there's a conversation around, spaces and like design and its purpose and its intent. And for us, the technology should not, should not really, should not be in the middle of that conversation. 

Technology should just kind of blend away nicely. It should do what it needs to do, but it really shouldn't celebrate. Its all. So we create these lower profile products. If you look at our controller, the original tap, it's a very low profile design compared to other things in the market. If you think about every single one of our mounts for, our wall mounting capabilities for our controllers and our schedulers, it's really around just making the technology kind of take a step back, and just let humans collaborate while the technology kind of, does what it needs to do silently in the background. 

You're gonna see us do more of that. And this is, this is a good example of us doing it in a big way. You will see more of this thousand throughout 2026 and beyond., because we really consider the, the facilities, the real estate, the design team, as part of this conversation. It's not,, you know, they're, it's no longer a nice to have. 

You gotta include all the stakeholders. Tom Arbuthnot: Yeah. Henry Levak: And they also make these big decisions. A lot of times the decisions are made around space use and design. It's not just the technology that drives the decisions. Tom Arbuthnot: I think it's, it is particularly pertinent when you get into Multicam because suddenly it feels a bit like, oh, have I got like all these PTZ Cameras all around the room? 

Like that can feel a certain way. And it's interesting how these blend into the wall really nicely. Henry Levak: Definitely. And, and we're trying to achieve that. We want, you know, and maybe people won't even notice there are any Cameras in the room and that's almost the ideal state, right? People are just focused on collaboration. 

Tom Arbuthnot: Awesome., last thing I wanna touch on hardware wise and anything else you wanna go over as well, but the, the spot is now in market and available as I understand it. Henry Levak: Definitely., we shipped it last year right at, right before Christmas., it is officially GA, Europe actually got it first., US has get, US also got it shortly thereafter and it's now flowing through the rest of the world. 

Tom Arbuthnot: Awesome. And that, that's your kind of environmental sensor, battery powered, like stick it on the wall. It's interesting to see you getting into that, that space as well. Obviously you've had sensors in some of the kit before, but now this you can fit to every single room., affordable price point, but also more importantly, I think from a retrofit point of view that battery power stick it on the wall is really nice. 

Henry Levak: You nailed it. That's that last part is it was the key. It was really the, the, you know, we, we have sensors in some of our devices, but really when you talk to real estate teams, they're not looking to get insights only from rooms with video in it. They want insights from all spaces, and some of these spaces may never have video in it, right? 

Some of these like phone booth designed for one person just to sit in with their laptop. And so the question is how can we help that same facility, that real estate team. Answer their needs, their questions, which is around space, occupancy and energy savings. Like our, you know, why are people using s not the others?, are rooms being over cooled, overheated, like these are the questions people are trying to, trying to answer. And the solutions in the market can be quite complex and certainly siloed. So our intent is to, and has been to make a really simple to deploy sensor that can detect presence. It can detect. 

Environmental factors, you know, CO2, temperature, humidity, and many other things. But then to take that data and make it accessible broadly., so we've, we make the data available for APIs. You can export CSV files, but now we're also, going to be launching a Teams integration in the coming months. 

And when we're working really closely with our friends at, Microsoft Places to also make sure this data flows into that, data pool. We really wanna make this data available to wherever the real estate and IT teams need it. And we want to make sure this data isn't just for traditional lodge rooms, want it to be available for all spaces because that's where really the benefit of the insights come in. 

It's when you have it for all of your different work environments. Tom Arbuthnot: Yeah, it feels like a big year for places. Obviously it's been in market GA a year now. We just had Brennan on the show that would've gone out by the time this goes out. And like, there's a lot coming in places this year, including a more robust API story, which allows, partners like yourselves to get in there from a, from a data point of view. 

But the data then is gonna be really important. Henry Levak: That's right. Spot's probably the biggest thing happening in places this year. That's what I would, that's how I see it. That's Tom Arbuthnot: your biased, that's your independent pitch, Henry. Henry Levak: I'm a little biased, but yeah. Tom Arbuthnot: Awesome. Well, thanks for coming on the show again. 

Really nice to catch up. I'll see you in person at ISE, but for everybody listening in, this will come out just before ISE., all this stuff available to look at and test out and poke and prod, the show, Henry Levak: everything will be there. All the mounts, all everything. The product team that worked on this, the engineers will be there. 

Come ask us the hard questions. We'll be there. We'd love to answer 'em. Tom Arbuthnot: Awesome. Well, yeah, do you make sure you stop by Logitech?, I'll be doing a video from the show as well for those who aren't, lucky enough to get over there., but yeah, really impressive stuff Henry. And, I'm excited to get hands on. 

As always. Henry Levak: Sweet. And I'll see you soon in Barcelona. Thanks. Awesome. Awesome. Tom Arbuthnot: Cheers mate. Thanks a lot. Henry Levak: Cheers.